Thoughts On the Church Passing Through My Mind…

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Had a great talk tonight with some friends about "the Church."

Here are some passing thoughts based on that conversation, though not fully developed.  This is more just thinking "out loud"…or "in print," as the case may be…

8 thoughts on “Thoughts On the Church Passing Through My Mind…

  1. Cornelius

    I like where such thoughts put us and, potentially, lead us. The only potential problem I see in this line of thinking is regarding the definition of the church and subsequently the individual’s use of the term when making ill statements toward it. What I mean is that there is the Church (synonymous with the Body) and then there is the church (the posers who call themselves the church but really have no part in it). Far be it for me to say which is which (though, biblically, we ought to be so discerning) but I have no problems pointing out the ills of the posers if only it will bring about the legitimacy of the true Church. And no, I am not saying I engage in or encourage others toward engaging in a judgemental posture.

  2. Lisa Severance

    I would also point out that the Church is everyone. Meaning that every single person is part of the whole. We are all part of The Body Of Christ. And just as every part of the body is essential in some way, every part of the church is as well. That said, members should not be judged as being less worthy for various reasons (not attending as often, not dressing as nice, etc etc.)
    Just as an example, our previous church members decided that my family was unworthy because we hadn’t been attending as often as they thought we should. But then again, they didn’t call to see if there was a problem either (There were serious medical issues) The church we attend now is very different. They are accepting of differences and such and communicate with us. The difference is very vast and yes it was the people in our former church that made it so.
    Oh and the “not dressed nice enough” complaint has been voiced at a couple churches I have been to and to say the least it left me VERY uncomfortable to hear things like that said.

  3. Claire

    firstly – hey cornelius – nice to see you!

    secondly great list pastor burt!

    i was talking to someone the other day abuot denominations – which i know is a contentious point for some people – i think denominations are EXPRESSIONS – and we need different types of churches (just as we do different types of music and resturants and clothes shops)… different expressions (be it worship, preaching style, activities and facilities etc) reach different people best.

    i also think sometimes we, the church, t he people of the church, needs to get over ourselves and just love each other. isnt really that the problem that most people have with The Church. is that they got hurt by the people in the church.

  4. Burt

    Cornelius: Great to hear from you! I get what you are saying. I guess my issue, of late, is that it simply seems en vogue in many circles to rag on “the Church.” Many believers do this, and they are decrying their frustration and disappointment with the institution. Along the way, however, our speech has gotten lazy. In rebelling against the institution, we keep speaking in terms of the institution. Let’s recapture the language. Let’s re-embrace the idea that Church isn’t a place we go, or an organization that is somehow separate from us. Rather, we are the Church! And if we believe that we are the Church, would we be so condemning with our speech? I guess I’m simply tired of believers in Jesus venting their issues with the Church as if they were not part of it; as if we were not brothers and sisters; as if we were not to be known by our love!

  5. Burt

    Verbina: I agree with you so much. By using the sur-name idea, I was not trying to get away from the sense of Church as every believer, but rather to make the idea more “hands-on.” We so often talk of the Church as if it were primarily an organization or a leadership structure or something other than the family of believers. People vent against the Church as if they were removed from it. I want us to return to inclusivity!

    Additionally, being the Church means we have to move well past comparison mode where we are constantly measuring and judging one another by some abstract standard: attendance, clothes, or the size of our Bibles. How ridiculous!

  6. Burt

    fireball wrote: [quote]i also think sometimes we, the church, the people of the church, needs to get over ourselves and just love each other.[/quote]

    That is so exactly right!

  7. cornelius

    fireball,
    Hey to you. Nice to be seen …. and nice to see you as well!

    PastorBurt,
    [quote]Let’s recapture the language. Let’s re-embrace the idea that Church isn’t a place we go, or an organization that is somehow separate from us. Rather, we are the Church! And if we believe that we are the Church, would we be so condemning with our speech? I guess I’m simply tired of believers in Jesus venting their issues with the Church as if they were not part of it; as if we were not brothers and sisters; as if we were not to be known by our love![/quote]
    Perfect!!

  8. Replica Watches

    Among the believers, brotherly love (sisterly love too!) is meant to separate us from the world and signify our relationships with one another instead of mere sexual expression and tensions.

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